Public opinion is largely characterized by deep sorrow, anger, and a desire for accountability regarding the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. Many commenters express feelings of helplessness and outrage towards suffering civilians, while holding both Israeli and Hamas actions responsible for the ongoing violence. The need for immediate humanitarian intervention and the release of hostages is a recurring theme, highlighting a mix of desperation and urgency.

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Why can’t it just be both?  

I am asking because arguing over whether this meets the legal definition of genocide distracts from the fact that what Israel is doing is terribly awful and the USA should do everything it can to stop it ASAP.

sfreddity

Its a square. Like all squares, it is also a rhombus. The squares who yell at people for only saying rhombus are more concerned with yelling than geometry.

starchitec

I don't really care which term they use, it's the use of the passive voice to describe what's happening.

"The starvation in Gaza is unacceptable!" Is a correct statement, but it completely leaves out what is causing the starvation.  They've turned the state of Israel into how they used to view Republicans, just pawns in the flow of history, their every action dictated by their opponents, with no other options but to do, sadly, what they were forced to do by the left.

There is a man made famine in Gaza and Israel is the "man made" part of it.  It's exhausting that they know they've completely misunderstood the current state of Israel badly, and that we have to listen to them fumble around, desperately hoping that what is happening is secretly the fault of someone else.

John_Jaures

Again, how do far leftists keep taking over these centrists subs?

Peanutbutternmtn2

I like Sarah a lot. But let’s not do this euphemism bullshit. Call a spade a spade. What started out as a legitimate military operation in response to October 7 has now devolved into a full blown genocide. I’m not anti Jewish. I’m not anti Israel. I’m not pro hamas. But for the love of God, there is an actual genocide happening in plain view. DO NOT COVER FOR IT!

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It’s both. The genocide is the worst part of it

MuddyPig168

They’re gonna hate you for speaking the truth

LankyStandard8645

Really interesting convo

https://youtu.be/RrhBypHFYPY?si=4mxBmXerGx5migr9

2Schnell4u

These people are George W. Bush Republicans, not beacons of morality. Don't expect these ghouls to be ethical when it comes to murdering Muslims or anyone else. They are still likely to defend what we did in Iraq, even though they would have to acknowledge that we were lied to in order to gin up support for that atrocity. Most of the Bulwark are devout zionists who have no problem with Jewish people of European extraction going to a land that has nothing to do with their personal ancestors and slaughtering natives in order to steal their homes. The fact that it's happening by the millions at this moment does not bother them. The bad PR of being a full throated supporter of this atrocity at this moment is the only thing that motivates Sarah even begrudgingly using the words "humanitarian crisis." They would never actually support something like an arms embargo against Israel because they support what is happening.

Background-Wolf-9380

ladan2189

The problem isn’t whether or not you think there’s some government culpability. The problem is if you think there’s some sort of outsized government culpability for Israel compared to any other nation or government. 

I lived through the whole Iraq/Afghanistan war timeline. Sure there were some protestors here and there. But there weren’t music concerts being taken over by anti-American banners. Every time you went on a social media post people weren’t spamming American flags with the word “genocide” next to it. People weren’t constantly spamming “Free Iraq” or “Free Afghanistan.” 

And this is after over 1,000,000 million people were killed in the Iraq and Afghanistan campaigns. 

But this isn’t supposed to be a “whataboutism.” It’s a genuine question as to why it seems like nobody gives an absolute fuck about any other war or genocide or whatever but suddenly are hyper focused on this conflict to the minute detail. I can find you plenty of photos of dead Iraqi kids, but nobody cares. And that’s the problem.

I am pro Israel, but I’m also a mother, and it is hard to see a child or a baby suffering, no matter where they’re from. Yeah I want these babies to be fed. I also don’t want them to be raised to hate Jews. But an infant shouldn’t be held accountable for what happened in 2023.

Shomer_Effin_Shabbas

There are a lot of zionist Jews care deeply about Israel who are also extremely disturbed by the lack of food reaching Gaza. They are concerned about the actions of the current Israeli government over many things, not just the food distribution, but are able to critique with specificity and without hate (bc the goal is to make Israel better). You have to know where to look for nuanced, compassionate voices who are extremely familiar with Israeli politics. They are probably not going to be the loudest voices online because they don't say things for clickbait or allow for easy, comforting narratives. Some suggestions of social media:

Israeli Policy Forum has great information and analysis about all things related to Israel. 

@ politicaljew

@ holylandspeaks

@ that\_semite

@ alanalindsay

@ yehudimomrim

@ tylerthejewmaican

Dobbin44

I feel so strongly that Israel is critically important I get into shouting matches with strangers about it.

But also, Israel is fucking this up pretty badly right now. Saying war is hell isn't really an excuse. They have to understand the optics of the situation and take them into account, Hamas certainly is. Optics matter because right now the crap optics make us diaspora Jews less safe. That's real too.

NAF1138

It is totally sane, normal, and not at all contradictory to support Israel as a Jewish state *and also* condemn or criticize what the state is doing.

Hamas aside, Israel as the occupying entity has a legal and moral responsibility to ensure appropriate humanitarian assistance is available. The starvation is not fake, there are absolutely innocent civilians starving, even among the wealthier families in Gaza, because there simply is not enough food available to them. 

Don’t let anybody convince you that it’s inappropriate to feel disturbed by this crisis, or that if you’re disturbed you must adopt a host of other anti-Israel and antisemitic beliefs or else you are “complicit.” Fuck all of that. Check out Standing Together if you haven’t heard of them… there are “friends of” ST chapters all over North America in case that’s where you live.

Acrobatic-Parsnip-32

War is not pretty. 

Arab neighbors don’t do shit to help. 

Israel was attacked and is now responsible to feed them. 

Egypt’s border is sealed. 

It’s a whole crazy situation. 

Oh and yeah there’s still 50 hostages there. wtf.

Surround8600

Yes. It's enormously painful. It's as the Times of Israel put it: Hamas is ultimately responsible for this war, but Israel bears immediate responsibility too: [https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-israel-made-itself-responsible-for-gaza-and-for-all-the-death-and-destruction-there](https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-israel-made-itself-responsible-for-gaza-and-for-all-the-death-and-destruction-there) 

This doesn't mean we AS JEWS are morally responsible any more than other people are. But because it's the Jewish state doing this (and by "this" I mean "allowing a famine to continue instead of making every possible effort to alleviate it") it's giving a moral injury to all Jews.

tempuramores

This is something I've been struggling with myself. One of the things that turned me off of the progressive left (as a progressive leftist) was seeing how many of my friends ooh and ahh over my 2 year old but justified the murder of the Bibas boys. Kfir Bibas was 3 days older than my son, and my partner and I were considering Aliyah in 2022. My own friends might have been justifying the murder of my son, my partner, and myself.


I refuse to do the same thing to a Palestinian child, no matter the crimes of their government. No baby deserves to starve and to hand-wave away that starvation is a betrayal of every value I hold. 


It's not right or fair, but every government has to weigh the virtue of a proportional response (you can tell I watched too much West Wing as a kid). Clearly what's being tried *is* dismantling Hamas, but I don't believe one life can be traded for another--how many children are the Hamasniks worth? 


I support Israel defending itself, but how far is too far? I don't really have an answer.


EDIT: I don't have an answer but I do have a suggestion. The western powers can recognise a Palestinian state once all the hostages are returned AND the remainder of Hamas disbands/submits to the ICC for judgement for war crimes for October 7. Return the hostages, disband, do teshuva, and they get a state. The ball is in their court, I'm tired of this nonsense.

dont_thr0w_me_away_

Israelis criticize the goverment all the time, just more between ourselves and less when talking to out of country people.

BlackVirusXD3

Yes, absolutely feeling this way and there are many of us navigating the painful complexity, though our voices aren’t as prominent online as the extremes. Most Jews I know irl feel as we do. This is our humanity, and we have to hold on to it for dear life.

Prudent_Web_3677

I wish there was something we could really do to help.  I don’t think placing blame is most important, and that’s where all the tension and hatred forJews comes from.  We have to work on fixing and helping.

RedFlowerGreenCoffee

There’s no reason for Israel to not get aid to them and anyone in their right mind wants that but it will take a collective effort.

hinaultpunch

The way I view it is that I’m pro-Israel anti-Bibi. The way this was has been prosecuted is to keep him in power and with Trump now back in the White House he’s all onboard with Trump’s insane plan of mass expulsions of Arabs from Gaza so trump and his family can build waterfront resorts on the cheap.

When Israeli soldiers are saying their surperiors are telling them to use live ammunition on unarmed civilians then there is definitely culpability by the some of the top leaders in Israel and it starts with Bibi.

TheInfinityOfThought

The problem is that there is supply but UN is refusing to work with GHF so supplies are piling up. Israel just showed reporters what was happening. The issue isn’t supply but the UN refusing to work unless Hamas gets a cut.

Correct-Effective289

War is hell. Anyone who thinks that a country can fight a perfectly clean war where no civilian is harmed knows nothing about war. By all accounts, this is actually a considerably clean war. 

“War is hell” is not an excuse to target civilians, but rather an acknowledgment that when you are fighting a war in densely populated urban area against an enemy whose strategy is to maximize their own civilian suffering, non-combatants will die. Moreover, this has to be the first war since World War 2 where neighboring countries actively refused to shelter civilians caught in the crossfire, as Egypt and Jordan are refusing to do now. This makes it extremely difficult to move non-combatants away from the battle space. Another first is the outright refusal of the defeated entity (Hamas) to surrender. They are clearly beaten and could end this war tomorrow if they wanted to. 

It’s also worth noting that had Israel started this war, the conversation would be different, but this is a war of necessity — Israel was attacked by Hamas and Hamas must be eliminated.

Individual-Stage-620

I hate to see noncombatants going hungry and suffering as well. I don't see how limiting food aid is a smart or decent way to attack Hamas. 

Has anyone determined how much aid has entered Gaza since Oct 2023 and whether that should have been enough to feed everyone in Gaza? I'm not sure how much of the problem is Israel not allowing enough aid in versus the aid not getting where it needs to be.

Flamingo_Reasonable

The government sucks and the war needs to end. Enough. This is definitely Netanyahu's fault.

However, Israel is now allowing aid to enter Gaza basically freely, which is important to mention. A lot of what you see is indeed propaganda. It would have been better if the incompetent fools in government didn't play right into it. The entire GHF thing was an obvious mistake.

Ahad_Haam

Yeah it’s pretty awful, I’ve had to stop paying attention to it because everything about it is so awful it negatively affecting my mental health.

lordbuckethethird

A lot of people base their views on this conflict (both the current Gaza war and the longer conflict since 1948) on their identity as a Zionist/antizionist or “pro-Israel/pro-palestine” instead of trying understand how individuals are harmed. I don’t really care if people are Zionists or antizionists but I’m not interested in talking to people who believe that the entire population of Gaza is deserving of starvation or forced displacements. Ethnic cleansing is disgusting and needs to be condemned forcefully.

Good-Concentrate-260

It is wearing on all of us. It’s time to end this.  I defended every more  Netanyahu for well over the first year. I don’t understand how shooting at starving civilians is supposed the make Israel safer.

Interesting_Claim414

Oh I definitely feel this way, and will be downvoted into oblivion now for saying that.  But I am having a hard time with the idea that the whole population should be paying the price for what the governing body did , we have other examples of the government doing atrocious things (looking at you , Russia, Trump administration) but yet there are very few people saying: oh yes you elected that and advocating for collateral damage. Bibi now is ensuring that there will three more generations of Palestinians and people around the world that will hate Israelis and all Jews. And no matter how great IDF is they are not saints , not perfect and unlikely winning this war. 
Oh and the war is hard and oh well what about Egypt crowd is normally posting from places nowhere remotely close to any conflicts or wars; most of them really don’t know what they are talking about.

Sababa180

Israel is not alone. The UN, putting Hamas political ambitions first, is at least complicit, probably more.

Puzzleheaded-Test218

The food is already in Gaza.  The UN refuses to distribute it. 

Suitable_Vehicle9960

Is this a good faith discussion? Read the news, please, prior to ranting online. YNetNews is a noted centrist/moderate/objective news outlet. It is NOT The Times of Israel, nor is it Haaretz. It's fair. Egypt is sealed and the world is not blaming THEM for not feeding Gazans, and Israel is TRYING to feed them. 

# [Israel blames UN for Gaza food shortage, 800 truckloads of aid wait for UN delivery](https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h1rfmmgpge)

QueenLevine

I feel sorry for them.  I don’t feel guilty.  That’s the difference.

BurnThis2

What is happening is the fault of Hamas, the UN, Israel, and gullible westerners. It’s horrible and not okay. I can’t control any of them and feel helpless. I want the hostages safe. I want Hamas gone. I want two states and peace. Nobody cares what I want though

Bakingsquared80

The international community only cares because Israel is a sensational topic. Most Americans don’t care at all that millions of Iraqis died in the wars America fought but they suddenly care that some Gazans are dying. It’s literally just because anti-semitism is how you get views and clicks.

Round-Status-5773

Return the hostages and stop trying to kill all Jews.

Next question?

shragae

It's a war. There's a reason people say war is hell. And this is a war in a densely populated urban area in which one side is seeking to maximize casualties amongst its own civilian population. Understand that every image you see -- and they are horrific -- is exactly what Hamas wants. Also understand that there is extreme media bias against Israel. They are not giving you the full story, like the fact that Hamas actively prevents Gazans from getting aid or the fact that there are many tons of it waiting to be distributed. 


Israel is a country, flawed like any other. They're certainly far from perfect. But there are probably dozens of other horrors taking place all over the world right now. Why is it that people are so obsessed with this one conflict? Why does no one care about Sudan, for example, or the ongoing slaughter of Druze in Syria (who Israel tried to help, by the way)? 


You already know the answer to these questions. 

DoodleBug179

I hate to say this after your post, but Hamas really is to blame, both for the Blood Libels they spread and for the misery they spread.  To be upset is a normal,  Jewish response, but the only party to be upset with is Hamas.

LanceJade

Please remember that Palestinians have a whole industry of fabricating misinformation (Paliwood is real). The pictures you see of the starving children have proven again and again to be from Yemen/Syria, AI or even staged using terminally ill patients. In many cases, the "child" is already swaddled to the point that no one can see that it's actually a doll. 


Ask yourself why the "famine" is suddenly worse now that the UN/Hamas no longer has monopoly, especially when we've seen and heard from Gazans themselves that they can finally get aid without having to pay for it. The weaker Hamas gets the worse the reports of Gaza's "suffering". This is more than just a coincidence - the propaganda is turned up to max using the oldest blood libel of them all: bloodthirsty Jews killing innocent babies. If anything, they are getting desperate.


Yes, there us hardship and civilians are always the ones to suffer in war. The task of providing aid to large crowds with Hamas operatives swarming about is a logistical nightmare and there will be shortages until the network has been properly established. It is important to remember, however, that neither the IDF or the GHF are claiming famine and the data does not support that there is ongoing famine. 


It is important that we keep level-headed and rational so we do not fall for the propaganda. The world was always turned against us and we should not rely on the words of antisemites. 

Sad_Eagle8690

Many of those images you seeing are from Yemen, syria, or just staged.

watch sahartv or any of the other myriad of smaller channels. you can see there is definitive exaggeration that looks terrible but you need the context

i mean yes war is awful. yes people are struggling. but Gaza has restaurants. food (though admittedly diverted via Hamas, etc). yes people have died (though 98% of the population is still alive and well)

but watch sahar. this clip, he collected video from people who filmed CNN filming what they wanted the world to see from there. there are definitely staged clips that you're seeing. there's a clip of a kid to be so hungry he's eating sand but there's restaurants right behind him just out of the CNN footage. supposedly a baby that was born on a pile of rubble but the baby is totally clean and they're saying it's 2 hours old but I can assure we tell you that baby's far older than 2 hours. and look at the clothes, they are not close that anyone would find if it was as bad and devastated as they're saying it is 

popular media is showing what they want you to see, not necessarily the whole picture

https://youtu.be/s49D33DPo8I?si=QaQm78yZAIKimdgU

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migoodman

If you had access to live-streamed coverage of Berlin during WW2 you would have been equally appalled. War is disgusting, and anyone that advocates or encourages is it wrong in the head. Hamas chose this war and refuses to surrender because western college students have glorified and encouraged their violence. Just all around a shitty situation.

TheForsaken69

How about we do some research and talk about facts and not propaganda designed to spread lies and twist the narrative.

Here is a detailed analysis of what is really happening.  Once people address the facts maybe then they can start blaming Israel for something.  But OP and others chiming in have skipped over all the relevant issues, like how Israel does deliver aid, how the UM refuses to cooperate or allow Israel to escort the aid under guard inside Gaza, or how Hamas steals the aid, or how GHF is trying to go around Hamas but the UN is trying to stop GUF from doing that.  

https://www.np.reddit.com/r/BeneiYisraelNews/s/PJIef6wSHu

Asphodelmercenary

I think the issue is people putting the blame entirely on Israel, which seems to be the case for 90% of these propaganda inducing posts. Yes it’s sad, but it’s inevitable.

Mindless_Charity_395

Think back to WWII. All those people starving in concentration camps in Germany. Not just Jews, other people too. 

Did Americans and Europeans "placed blame" or "acknowledged magnitude" for that? Do you think they should have?

  
Also, in the case of Gaza. The photos are children with mostly congenital diseases that cause wasting, atrophy. Yes they need better medical care. But they are not "starving."

TopSecretAlternateID

This is a TROLL. It’s disgusting how they are inundating these groups but you can easily see what they e posted about. The fact that this troll never postedONCE about anything Jewish let alone Gaza says it all.

yumyum_cat

Israel looks bad by allowing the starving of so many women and children, so politically, it would be in their best interest to get food and medical aid to the people of Gaza, even if it's not Israel's responsibility. 

Of course, the rest of the world could figure out a way to get food to Gazans if they really wanted to.

FreeRangeGrape

Imagine if we had todays media during WW2. We could not blame any one nation for the starvation and difficult circumstances war creates globally. Israel is held to a standard no other nation on Earth is expected to adhere to. Not to mention there are two sides to every story. The population in Gaza was not "well fed" under HAMAS before the war either so these conditions hit even harder.

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Unfortunately everything that’s talked about in the US gets politicized. Be it groceries, to healthcare, to wars.

doesnotexist2

People want to pigeon hole, or categorize everything into manageable bits. The Ukraine is complex, difficult, and beyond a simple fix option. If youre talking about Americans, specifically, you have to realize that most are programmed into ADD.  We typically have the attention span of a squirrel. With the Putin spawned hot mess in our own country, you've been shoved into the background.

New_Section_9374

Your feelings are completely valid and it's unfortunate that such real and heartbreaking issues are dismissed as 'politics.' Humanitarian crises transcend politics and it's important to create spaces where we can discuss and empathize without being silenced. Stay strong. We're here for you.

FuzzySocksAndFoxes

The Russians are monsters. But now the USA has many of its leaders controled by Russia.

Slava Ukrani.

tryingtobecheeky

Yes you can’t even reference things and idk how anything will ever get any attention if we can’t talk about it or if we do we get hung out to dry one way or the other. Honestly I don’t want to talk politics I want to talk solutions.

Immediate_West_8980

I'm sorry for the people of your country. My 5 year old daughters best friend is from Ukraine and her family are so lovely and kind. I can't imagine having to leave my home with a newborn and knowing it's unlikely you can go back because of things like mines. Unfortunately it's horrible times we live in. Big hug xxx

Tallicababe123

It is a humanitarian crisis. My heart is broken for Ukraine. I'm doing as much as I can to help.

Gaxxz

I am so sorry! I am sending you all the positive thoughts, and if it's welcome prayers. What a big thing to bear at 15. And without support of the people around you. I've noticed people find it hard to be there for someone who hurts. Especially when young. Especially if it's a hurt they don't know. I hope you find people who help you.

What is it you'd like from the people around you? From us? What do you need? Can you specifically ask for it?

I am obviously not in power to solve this horrible war. But is there any kind of support that would help you? Do you want to share your story with us?

I am so sad to hear this.  People who refuse to care about the suffering of others are contributing to the suffering of others.  I do think they will not understand until they are personally affected.  Those of us that do care try to take actions, like donating, protesting, voting and writing.  Maybe most importantly, we try to listen and support people like you who are suffering from a humanitarian crisis.

VeganVallejo

&gt; why is the humanitarian crisis my people are facing named as political?

Because it’s a war? With sides and everything. Why wouldn’t war, “politics by other means”, be political?

Much of Reddit is in the US.  So, there are a few ways to talk about the war Ukraine. 

We can talk about how awful things are for Ukrainians and hope for a better future.  This can include humanitarian action and any kinds of human things.

Or, we can talk about it politically. This leader is right and that one wrong. Our taxes should or shouldn't be spent on these things. Trade policies shouldn't or should be brought to bear on Russia. Etc.

The latter is more common discussion.

Stuck_With_Name

I mean yeah it's political. Humanitarian crises are very political.

Best wishes to you and yours OP

Are you currently in Ukraine? If you are, I’m so sorry. Republicans here have politicized the war.

You're right, it shouldn't be political. To other countries, it will be because we're not personally witnessing any of the atrocities.

Ukraine didn't ask for this. The way they have been treated is unforgivable.

Beginning_Loan_313

It is people shutting down because they perceive that it doesn't effect them or shouldn't effect them.

This is why war sucks, 99% didn't want to do it, but 10-20 did want it, for whatever reason. Yes it sucks that you've been unhomed, really it does, but why should that affect me? You can't force me to care about others. (Don't actually hold this view for Ukrainians, just devil's advocate)

They get quiet about it, because, what can the layman do? Like take me for example, I'm 33 yrs old, live in the north of England, and have a below average wage. What can I do? Do you want me to go start shooting people for you? When you won't do it yourself? No we don't want that good. 

Money? To buy bullets for others to shoot?   I've seen this happen before, you get blamed for choosing sides and it effects perceptions of you for life, before this war Russians like the U.K. now they hate us...

You're young, having a bad time right now, and I'm really sorry your going through it, but because you are young, your not seeing the bigger picture, how selfish you are acting (understandably but not condo able) think about all the 40 year old carpenters who have had their hand shot off, all their careers ruined, with no savings for the future, with the only thing to keep them going is national pride and a hope to rebuild for your generation, because his life is effectively forfeit now. Hell never be able to earn a proper amount, the country won't be able to financially support all those effected by it.... At least you are safe, and just mildly neglected on this issue. It could be much worse

J1mj0hns0n

Thank God. Hopefully some of the most acutely malnourished can be saved from starvation before it’s too late.

amish_android

I'll believe it when I see it. I rolled my eyes when people started using the G word, but they were right. This is absolutely inexcusable and Israel must be held accountable by the International community that they depend on.

syynapt1k


&gt;The ministry said **122** Palestinians have died in recent days of similar symptoms, including 83 children.

Pretty sure this is reported to be the total since the start of the war in Oct 2023, not just recent days.

Yep, a quick google search finds BBC: 

&gt;Nine more people died of malnutrition on Friday, according to the Palestinian territory's Hamas-run health ministry - bringing the total such deaths since the war began to 122.

NBC:

&gt;...bringing the total number of deaths from malnutrition since the start of the war to 122, including 83 children

Al-Jazeera:


&gt;That brings the total number of such deaths to 122 since Israel's war on Gaza began in October 2023, including at least 83 children.

fury420

Whatever they do it will be coldly calculated to try to appease international critics while actually doing the absolute minimum. Israel thumbs its noses at and criticises those that criticise it. It will do what it wants, regardless of international pressure.

grahamsuth

I don’t believe a word these m’ther f’ckers say.

Adorable-Constant294

Only because of pressure by all these other countries. Keep it up.

buizel123

They are doing the Warsaw thing to the Gazans.

PraetorGold

i only want the press to be allowed in the area so we can finally know whether hamas or israel hinder the humanitarian aid

derteeje

Israel and humanitarian in the same sentence. The perfect example of an oxymoron.

Designer_Buy_1650

assprxnce

This would be a good time for Hamas to have the audacity to, ya know, govern. Provide food to the people of Gaza, if Israel is doing it so poorly. 

Matter of fact, it would be a good time for Egypt and all the other Arab countries that have "shown solidarity" with the people of Gaza to step up and start dropping food into Gaza. "Showing solidarity" without actually doing anything is just like "thoughts and prayers".

jewboy916

The international pressure this time around seems unprecedented. The joint statement led by the UK has some 30 signatories, nearly all of them Israeli allies. France is about to recognise Palestine and there are calls in the UK to do the same. Even Germany has put out a joint statement with UK and France about how horrific the situation has become. It feels like if this deteriorates any further there will be mass recognition of Palestine or a mass sanction on more Israeli ministers.

I have hope that this will force Israel's hands and sign a ceasefire _to get ALL the hostages out_.

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The first, and most important, step is to stop sending an ungodly amount of “aid” to Israel

Wide_Mode7480

If the US threatened to treat Israel like an enemy state, the crisis would end overnight. I.E. harshest possible trade sanctions, freeze all Israeli funds in US banks, UN opposition, declare the IDF and Mossad as terrorist orgs, government figures on Most Wanted lists, etc.

Israel cannot exist without unconditional US support, so threatening to withhold that support should theoretically get them to do whatever we want.

BrideOfAutobahn

We should cut off all aid to Isarel. No more free rides.

Valuable_Surprise588

Problem is everyone WANTS us to intervene until they get what they want and then they turn on us. 

It is not in our best interest because the US always comes out as the bad guy. Better to just stay out of other countries issues. We’ll still get blamed but at least it won’t cost us any money or lives.

WonderfulVariation93

We did intervene. The Biden administration in 2024 directed the Navy to build a huge floating pier in Gaza so aid ships could unload directly and land border crossings would no longer be necessary. It was a disaster. The rough sea made the pier very difficult to use. It broke apart at least once and had to be temporarily removed several times for repairs or to prevent damage. It had to be closed frequently because the waves were too rough. There was at least one fire on board the pier, and at least one US sailor had to be hospitalized for injuries sustained on the pier. In the end it operated on and off for three months, cost $230 million, and was used to deliver about one day of humanitarian aid to Gaza.

https://www.reuters.com/world/how-bidens-gaza-pier-project-unraveled-2024-07-25/

No, the US should not intervene. That will just help Hamas, who will steal the crap and the people will starve anyway.

soulwind42

No. It's a foreign conflict and we have no business doing more than providing aid.

GreatSoulLord

I dont know how we could send aid so that it gets to the kids but not to the terrorists or the people that voted for terrorists. 


The people in Gaza could stop this anytime they want.

Layer7Admin

Yes, the US can intervene to stop the crisis.

If the US pauses, or outright stops all aid to Israel, then Israel will do whatever the US says.

thoughtsnquestions

From AlJazeera (July 26):

&gt;On Wednesday, UN spokesperson Stephane Dujarric said half of the 16 food distribution requests submitted to the Israeli military had been refused.

&gt;“Bureaucratic … and other operational obstacles imposed by Israeli authorities; ongoing hostilities and access constraints within Gaza; and incidents of criminal looting, and more shooting incidents that have killed and injured people gathering to offload aid supplies along convoy routes” have limited efforts to deliver aid, Dujarric told reporters.

Even the UN admits it's not only Israel at issue.  

From July 24:

&gt;"Israel has agreed to the Qatari proposal and the updated (US special envoy Steve) Witkoff proposal, it is Hamas that is refusing," Mencer told reporters, adding that Israel's negotiating team was still in Doha and talks were ongoing.

After 2 weeks Hamas submitted a proposal that 

&gt;...included proposed amendments to clauses on the entry of aid, maps of areas from which the Israeli army should withdraw, and guarantees on securing a permanent end to the war


Seems to me Hamas is still the anchor of all problems here.  apparently Israel has airdropped seven shipments of aid.  The US or UN could easily do 10 times that.  We should not aid Israel here but our support is already bought.

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